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it may allow for the president to think through what he is going to do with cia director, with national security advisor, if any changes coming there, and maybe by presenting a whole team, including a new defense secretary nominee at the same time. some of the attention from this back and forth in a more partisan sense can be deflected in a more positive direction. >> thank you very much. michael, thanks for giving us real perspective on that op ed from the "new york times". appreciate that vemp. >> thank you, andrea. >>> the music world has suffered a nuj loss overnight. cross border singing sense station jenni rivera died when a small private jet carrying her and members of her entourage crashed in northern mexico. called the diana ross of mexican music, rivera was a hero among latin women and major player in a genre of music dominated by men. not only did she sell more than 20 million records, but her empire included radio and tv. her reality tv show on telemundo's sister network mundoz elhave aed her to millions. she leaves behind five children and two grandchildren. she was only 43
it may allow for the president to think through what he is going to do with cia director, with national security advisor, if any changes coming there, and maybe by presenting a whole team, including a new defense secretary nominee at the same time. some of the attention from this back and forth in a more partisan sense can be deflected in a more positive direction. >> thank you very much. michael, thanks for giving us real perspective on that op ed from the "new york times"....
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this year of the cia agent a little more complicated than the hollywood spy version portrayal. the post says she was actually passed over for a poe motion shortly after the mission that killed bin laden. also it says she took heat for ties to filmmakers and there was jealousy over her fame and that led to internal friction within the agency. the post says after being given a prestigious award for her work this agent sent an e-mail to dozens of others saying they didn't deserve to share in the accolades. >> not good. >> not getting along very well inside the cia, apparently. >> in the a smart move either. >>> for an expanded look at all of our top stories, head to cnn.com/earlystart. also follow us on twitter and on facebook. just search for early start cnn. >> it's made of steel but it's not a steal by any means. the gift card craze that has some coffee lovers paying way more than face value. look! over time, cascade complete pacs fight film buildup two times better than finish quantum to help leave glasses sparkling. cascade. the clear choice. but when i was in an accident...
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this movie, if people see it, will make you uncomfortable because you'll watch entirely believable cia officers, for once in a movie, you don't usually see that, people who look like you or me, joe or mika, and having to make these decisions and do these things, and that's why i think it's so powerful. it's not dick cheney, you know, sort of figure of universal hatred, it's somebody who looks like you or me having to deal with this. >> i like dick cheney, for the record. it is a good point. mika, the horns have been drawn on the men and women who, after september 11th, 2001, were asked to go out and save americans from another terror attack. >> i agree. >> and maybe this film begins to erase those horns and make them realize that they are americans who love their family who are patriotic, who wanted to do what men and women who signed up to go off to afghanistan and iraq wanted to do after september 11th. they have been done a grave disservice by this country that needed them after september 11th and let us hope that this film at least starts to put this situation into more perspective
this movie, if people see it, will make you uncomfortable because you'll watch entirely believable cia officers, for once in a movie, you don't usually see that, people who look like you or me, joe or mika, and having to make these decisions and do these things, and that's why i think it's so powerful. it's not dick cheney, you know, sort of figure of universal hatred, it's somebody who looks like you or me having to deal with this. >> i like dick cheney, for the record. it is a good...
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that was a decision made by the cia, the managers of the cia. i mean, certainly any agency of the u.s. government which has a big success would probably want an accurate portrayal of that success. i think that was why the filmmakers met with this particular woman. as fran points out, there is actually -- there were men involved in this. it isn't just a female agent that did everything. the film suggests that a female agent played an essential role. there's another person that goes by the name of john who has some press attention in the past who was equally important so let's be accurate about this. >> fran, i want to ask you, i want to read a quote to you that was in this "the washington post" piece from a former cia official describing the environment at the agency. this is what the quote says. "the agency is a funny place. very insular. it's like middle schoolers with clearances." i want to get your take on that how does the cia culture play into this controversy surrounding this woman now? >> no question it's a very insular place by its very
that was a decision made by the cia, the managers of the cia. i mean, certainly any agency of the u.s. government which has a big success would probably want an accurate portrayal of that success. i think that was why the filmmakers met with this particular woman. as fran points out, there is actually -- there were men involved in this. it isn't just a female agent that did everything. the film suggests that a female agent played an essential role. there's another person that goes by the name...
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that's what the cia believed and told her in a briefing given to her that very day. yet, john mccain and others launched a campaign to smear her and block her for moving to the state department. president obama defended rice on numerous occasions, but accepted her decision today with regrelt. just a short time ago, she explained her decision to nbc's brian williams. >> today, i made the decision that it was the best thing for our country, for the american people, that i not be considered for nomination for secretary of state. i didn't want to see a confirmation process that was very prolonged, very politicized. very distracting and very disruptive. there are so many things we need to get done as a country. and the first several months of a second term president's agenda is really the opportunity to get the the crucial thing done. job creation. that's what matters. and to the extent that my nomination could have delayed, distracted or maybe even deflected, i didn't want that. and i'd much prefer to continue doing what i'm doing, which is a job i love at the united nat
that's what the cia believed and told her in a briefing given to her that very day. yet, john mccain and others launched a campaign to smear her and block her for moving to the state department. president obama defended rice on numerous occasions, but accepted her decision today with regrelt. just a short time ago, she explained her decision to nbc's brian williams. >> today, i made the decision that it was the best thing for our country, for the american people, that i not be considered...
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and then there's a question of cia. the big question is whether john brennan, currently the director of homeland security want that job. it's his if he wants it. the question is, does he? otherwise director morell could get it. the president could perhaps make all of these announcements next week. >> stand by just for a moment. jill dougherty is our state correspondent. it looks potentially like john kerry could be the man that you'll be covering in the weeks and months to come, john kerry, chairman of the foreign relations committee, democratic presidential nominee back in 2004. what are you hearing? >> well, obviously now that susan rice is out of the picture, it would be very logical to turn to him. he is well known for international affairs. every type of issue he seems to have a statement ready within seconds. he's a heavyweight. he knows all of the issues. he wouldn't have the difficulty, it would appear, in the senate for being confirmed with that post as susan rice would have. and it also clears the way now for
and then there's a question of cia. the big question is whether john brennan, currently the director of homeland security want that job. it's his if he wants it. the question is, does he? otherwise director morell could get it. the president could perhaps make all of these announcements next week. >> stand by just for a moment. jill dougherty is our state correspondent. it looks potentially like john kerry could be the man that you'll be covering in the weeks and months to come, john...
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let's talk about the cia and whether there was a flap there with the talking points. focusing on susan rice does not get us on where we need to be on fixing the problems we have so that benghazi never occurs again. >> maria cardona and ron bonjean. thank you very much. >>> if the u.s. goes over the fiscal cliff, we'll feel it even at our airports. flights could change, and quite frankly, not in a good way. in. in fact, in a recent survey, 95% of people who tried it agreed that it relieved their headache fast. visit fastreliefchallenge.com today for a special trial offer. you know how painful heartburn can be. for fast, long lasting relief, use doctor recommended gaviscon®. only gaviscon® forms a protective barrier that helps block stomach acid from splashing up- relieving the pain quickly. try fast, long lasting gaviscon®. (announcer) when subaru owners look in the mirror, relieving the pain quickly. they see more than themselves. so we celebrate our year-end with the "share the love" event. get a great deal on a new subaru and 250 dollars goes to your choice of fi
let's talk about the cia and whether there was a flap there with the talking points. focusing on susan rice does not get us on where we need to be on fixing the problems we have so that benghazi never occurs again. >> maria cardona and ron bonjean. thank you very much. >>> if the u.s. goes over the fiscal cliff, we'll feel it even at our airports. flights could change, and quite frankly, not in a good way. in. in fact, in a recent survey, 95% of people who tried it agreed that it...
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cnn national security contributor fran townsend, a member of the external advisory committees to the cia and department of homeland security. general marks, let me start with you. what are the military options at this stage right now? realistically, what could the use, nato, the international community militarily do if there is an indication that the syrian military's about to use chemical weapons against its own people. >> wolf, that's the key point. in advance of its use what can the u.s. do? and it's clearly having a very robust, very broad intelligence collection apparatus that takes into account all means of collection, technical as well as human intelligence. there are known sites where the chemical weapons are stockpiled, where the production sites are. then there has to be an act to marry those up with the distribution or delivery means. >> a missile. >> a missile, artillery shell, put into a bomb then uploaded under the wings of an aircraft. all those are indicators of what might occur. intelligence has to be very, very robust in order to go after that. then, if it is such that
cnn national security contributor fran townsend, a member of the external advisory committees to the cia and department of homeland security. general marks, let me start with you. what are the military options at this stage right now? realistically, what could the use, nato, the international community militarily do if there is an indication that the syrian military's about to use chemical weapons against its own people. >> wolf, that's the key point. in advance of its use what can the...
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he's alleges got the cia slot to fill as well. there are rumors there may be changes on his national security team. but nobody is being very specific about it at this point. >> shira, just the optics of the gop engaged in -- in a days-long filibuster with regards to susan rice, attacking susan rice for days. is that a fight that they want to pick? >> you'd think they wouldn't want to pick this fight, especially when there are other well-qualified people who want to be secretary of state such as john kerry, the senator of massachusetts, has made no secret at all that this is a position he's wanted far really long time. so you think this would not be a battle the white house would pick. but obviously the president has a lot of loyalty to susan rice. his defense of her a couple weeks ago from the podium was really unique and frankly defensive. so if this is who he wants, he has every right to nominate her and the senate has every right to say no. >> david, before i let you guys get out of here, i had katon dawson on a few minutes ago
he's alleges got the cia slot to fill as well. there are rumors there may be changes on his national security team. but nobody is being very specific about it at this point. >> shira, just the optics of the gop engaged in -- in a days-long filibuster with regards to susan rice, attacking susan rice for days. is that a fight that they want to pick? >> you'd think they wouldn't want to pick this fight, especially when there are other well-qualified people who want to be secretary of...
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got access to cia operatives, cia locations, that they had access to navy s.e.a.l.s which they should not have had. and i can't really go beyond that other than to say that now, this investigation has gone on and it's been expanded. >> reporter: bowe says he and bigelow were very aware of national security concerns. >> we're acutely aware that there are sensitivities around this material, and i think we approached this with a lot of respect for those sensitivities. >> pretty -- i really want to see this movie. it does raise a legitimate concern about how much cooperation there is between the cia, between hollywood, between the military. >> it does. there's a long-standing relationship with hollywood and the cia and the u.s. military but you know, since 9/11, this has been a very sexy thing, the navy s.e.a.l.s, the commandoes, cia agents. everybody likes to watch this kind of movie and the real question here, is did it get out of hand, did the government just let them have too much access. >> and get too wrapped up. what about the members of s.e.a.l. team six? obviously you have one me
got access to cia operatives, cia locations, that they had access to navy s.e.a.l.s which they should not have had. and i can't really go beyond that other than to say that now, this investigation has gone on and it's been expanded. >> reporter: bowe says he and bigelow were very aware of national security concerns. >> we're acutely aware that there are sensitivities around this material, and i think we approached this with a lot of respect for those sensitivities. >> pretty...
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chad sweet is a former cia director of operations. and ken baer is a white housed a virus. todd carmichael is the host of dangerous grounds. howard kurtz will join us. and economic diane swonk rounds things out for us today. "starting point" begins right now. >>> good morning. welcome, everybody. let's begin with developing news this morning. a tsunami threat to tell you about was just lifted in japan. the country was rocked by a powerful 7.3 magnitude earthquake. it hit off the coast of tokyo. the buildings there shaking. you could see some of the video showing the degree to which they were shaking. alex, what's the latest? >> reporter: it has been a very, very tense few hours here in japan after you mentioned a 7.3 magnitude earthquake striking late here in the day on friday. but just in the past 90 minutes or so, the all clear has been given. the tsunami warning has been lifted. that's great news for the people here. there's no signs of any significant damage. no reports of any deaths. just a few injuries at this point. we also have to keep in mind the nuclear power plan
chad sweet is a former cia director of operations. and ken baer is a white housed a virus. todd carmichael is the host of dangerous grounds. howard kurtz will join us. and economic diane swonk rounds things out for us today. "starting point" begins right now. >>> good morning. welcome, everybody. let's begin with developing news this morning. a tsunami threat to tell you about was just lifted in japan. the country was rocked by a powerful 7.3 magnitude earthquake. it hit off...
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possibly for the pentagon or cia. we don't know how serious that is. so far, it's all the same circle. >> that's right. >> musical chairs. >> musical chairs. the knock a lot of people in washington give to the obama white house it is too insular and he doesn't pull the kinds of expertise he needs into this white house. there's an opportunity in this second term for him to shake things up a little bit. you know, maybe to bring in new players, new faces who have been there from the clinton white house, and kind of help the dynamic and help the governing because a lot of people on capitol hill even democrats will tell you, he's not good at governing and building coalitions. maybe if he brought some folks in who knew how to do that there would be more give and take on the fiscal cliff issue, on the tax reform and entitlement reforms that we get next year, and there is a sense he really could use a bit of some fresh blood to make things a little easier going forward. >> chris, susan, and ari, thank you very much for all joining us. and the jobs report, more
possibly for the pentagon or cia. we don't know how serious that is. so far, it's all the same circle. >> that's right. >> musical chairs. >> musical chairs. the knock a lot of people in washington give to the obama white house it is too insular and he doesn't pull the kinds of expertise he needs into this white house. there's an opportunity in this second term for him to shake things up a little bit. you know, maybe to bring in new players, new faces who have been there from...
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>> that, of course, comes in direct conflict with what general david petraeus, the director of the cia, told the committee in the senate where he said they knew immediately after the attack, the next day, that it was, in fact, an attack launched by al qaeda. now, speaking to reporters in ireland on one of her last trips as secretary of state, hillary laughed off questions about a potential presidential run in 2016, saying she's just too busy with her current job to think long term. >> i'm right now too focused on what i'm doing to complete all the work we have ahead of us before i do step down, and i am frankly looking forward to returning to living a life that enjoys a lot of simple pleasures and gives me time for family and friends and other pursuits. >> but as we told you yesterday, the majority of americans are hoping clinton doesn't stay out of politics for too long. the latest abc news/"washington post" poll shows 57% would vote for clinton in a 2016 presidential bid. >>> turning now to news overseas. all eyes are on two tense situations developing by the hour that could have ser
>> that, of course, comes in direct conflict with what general david petraeus, the director of the cia, told the committee in the senate where he said they knew immediately after the attack, the next day, that it was, in fact, an attack launched by al qaeda. now, speaking to reporters in ireland on one of her last trips as secretary of state, hillary laughed off questions about a potential presidential run in 2016, saying she's just too busy with her current job to think long term....
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so there is a real cia agent that she plays who found the link to the courier who took them. >> with her tenacity, her courage and her dedication, you know, really drove that lead forward. and gave it a lot of traction. you know, and i think the interesting thing about the movie is it really puts you in her shoes. it puts you in that intelligence hunt and gives you a glimpse into the intelligence community and the dedication of these men and women including her. but all the men and women that are involved in something -- in an operation that is this complicated and this arduous. >> have you met her, or did mark meet her? >> well, we protect our sources. i'll leave it at that. >> you know, were you surprised that there was a woman who was so intricately involved? because at first when i heard it was a woman, i was, like, wow! and then i got a little disappointed to think, why would i be surprised that it was a woman? were you? >> i had the exact same reaction. i was surprised -- i was thrilled. >> yes, me, too. >> and then i was surprised that i was surprised. >> yes! that's exactly h
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>> reporter: fox news has learned that the decision to close the cia annex and to destroy all of the classified information and move out the classified communications equipment came within 12 hours, 12 hours of the at dark -- attack on the consulate itself and early morning september 12th, by 8:00 local time, effectively the cia operation in benghazi was shuttered. all the classified information was moved or burned as well as the equipment and this was a decision fox was told was made on the ground. then there was notification to washington. it is important to look at this particular data point and contrast it with how long it took the fbi to get into the consulate. that took several weeks. in fact the u.s. consulate in benghazi has never been secured by the united states, martha. martha: wow! great points, catherine the thank you very much. >> reporter: you're welcome. bill: the families demanding answers. the father of one of the former navy seals killed that day leading the charge on this saying he is hearing nothing from the government on what happened to his son. coming up today
>> reporter: fox news has learned that the decision to close the cia annex and to destroy all of the classified information and move out the classified communications equipment came within 12 hours, 12 hours of the at dark -- attack on the consulate itself and early morning september 12th, by 8:00 local time, effectively the cia operation in benghazi was shuttered. all the classified information was moved or burned as well as the equipment and this was a decision fox was told was made on...
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what about the big guns, cia and fbi you advised in the past, are they on this? do they have the capabilities to protect tech us? >> no. not to protect us. that will come from the companies, the private sector that build this. the banks. what they can provide is something intelligence and information. they need to do a better job sharing information and intelligence and financial services industry was the first one to create the financial services information sharing analysis center. president clinton signed it into office called presidential directive 63 said let's do a better job sharing information between the government and the private sector to better defend against these threats. it is intelligence that will help you prevent this a lot. jenna: i am curious, i have to let you go, if you're cybersecurity analysts do you a do a lot of shopping online. >> i do but gone to use apps on ipad to stay off-line. i'm a mac guy through and through. jenna: you don't work for mac or employed by apple. >> no, but i prefer it because it works but absolutely because of the
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now, last night, a former cia officer, robert bear, was speaking to anderson cooper. he described what the use of sarin could do. here's more of what he had to say. >> one round and the dispersion on that could be -- depends on the wind -- but you could take out, let's say a city like homs, you could take out a third of the city in the first couple of hours. anderson, this is a highly toxic liquid. it's a persistent agent. it's absolutely completely deadly. >> reporter: now, we've heard repeatedly from u.s. administration officials, u.s. president barack obama, u.s. secretary of state hillary clinton that the use of chemical weapons in syria was a red line for which syria and the bashar al assad regime would face severe consequences if they ever did cross that red line and utilize chemical weapons against the people of syria. >> and we have no idea what those severe consequences would be, right? >> reporter: that's right, we don't. you know, people speculate that this would mean some type of military intervention, but we also know that a lot of world powers have not w
now, last night, a former cia officer, robert bear, was speaking to anderson cooper. he described what the use of sarin could do. here's more of what he had to say. >> one round and the dispersion on that could be -- depends on the wind -- but you could take out, let's say a city like homs, you could take out a third of the city in the first couple of hours. anderson, this is a highly toxic liquid. it's a persistent agent. it's absolutely completely deadly. >> reporter: now, we've...
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and so amazingly enough, when the house of unamerican activities got going, some cia operatives found themselves right in the line of fire because they had so many connections to the democratic socialist left across europe, the mccarthy items were very worried by these guys .. and some were professors who had left leaning tendencies themselves but they were democrats,. >> rose: wha and what do you mae of the french who came to the real situation that is soviet union was not what they believed it to be, you know, french intellectuals? >> they rather took their time over this realization. i mean by now we all have the hindsight benefit there of. but i would like to think i would have dipped out somewhere around the stalinist -- >> rose: yes that would be a place to say not what -- >> if you didn't get it then you should got it around the nazi -- >> later, then there was -- >> german uprising of 53, there was hungary in 56 and yet still, i mean, the great historian says i never left the party, it left me. >> rose: right, right. >> but still it lingered on i mean all of the great anti-com
and so amazingly enough, when the house of unamerican activities got going, some cia operatives found themselves right in the line of fire because they had so many connections to the democratic socialist left across europe, the mccarthy items were very worried by these guys .. and some were professors who had left leaning tendencies themselves but they were democrats,. >> rose: wha and what do you mae of the french who came to the real situation that is soviet union was not what they...
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early as next week so he would be announcing at the same time secretary of state, defense secretary, cia among the names. it's not super news but state senator john kerry, un ambassador susan rice. i asked the president whether or not he felt the republican criticisms and attacks on susan rice has sort of boxed him in a corner, make it so that he looks weak if he doesn't go ahead and nominate her. he tried to brush that aside but said, sang her praises and also said he hasn't made an announcement yet. so there's a bit of a trying to shuffle positions around here because one decision, if you name susan rice secretary of state then that opens the door, officials are saying, you could see kerry as defense secretary or he could bring in republican former senator chuck hagel is also a name for secretary and also potentially a name for c.i.a. as well. >> rose: in term of the treasury the name you most frequently higher is the chief of staff jack lou. is that the name you're hearing the most. >> that's the name we're hearing but it gets calculated because jack lou is a principal negotiator in t
early as next week so he would be announcing at the same time secretary of state, defense secretary, cia among the names. it's not super news but state senator john kerry, un ambassador susan rice. i asked the president whether or not he felt the republican criticisms and attacks on susan rice has sort of boxed him in a corner, make it so that he looks weak if he doesn't go ahead and nominate her. he tried to brush that aside but said, sang her praises and also said he hasn't made an...
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there's a long-standing relationship with hollywood and the cia and the u.s. military but you know, since 9/11, this has been a very sexy thing, the navy s.e.a.l.s, the commandoes, cia agents. everybody likes to watch this kind of movie and the real question here, is did it get out of hand, did the government just let them have too much access. >> and get too wrapped up. what about the members of s.e.a.l. team six? obviously you have one member who came out -- >> he wrote a book. >> now we know who he is. he wrote a book in violation, supposedly. >> these guys are sworn to secrecy and their own commanders have been cracking down saying to all of them keep your mouth shut. you sign an oath of secrecy, you must obey it. and they have concerns that it's just, again, too much information. this was supposed to be one of the most secret operations in the history of the united states. we all seem to know an awful lot about it. >> we do. so what is going to be the outcome here? because it seems that because the operation was so significant, you don't want to set a pre
there's a long-standing relationship with hollywood and the cia and the u.s. military but you know, since 9/11, this has been a very sexy thing, the navy s.e.a.l.s, the commandoes, cia agents. everybody likes to watch this kind of movie and the real question here, is did it get out of hand, did the government just let them have too much access. >> and get too wrapped up. what about the members of s.e.a.l. team six? obviously you have one member who came out -- >> he wrote a book....
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the cia said they need to protect sources and methods. the congressional committees are seeking the raw e-mail traffic to assess how and why the talking points were changeed. >> reporter: was there a problem with communication between, say the fbi doing the investigation, cia doing some of the intelligence analysis, the state department who was responsible for some of the security. was this, again, a stove piping problem of a different kind? >> and aside from the talking points, lawmakers want definitive information on the level of premeditation by the terrorists and how early it was known. >>> the wikileaks trial will resume today and will determine if bradley manning's case will be dismissed. he claims the nine-month free trial confinent -- to punishment. he faces charges, including aiding the enemy and if convicted, he could face love in prison. >>> hillary clinton is at the final foreign nato summit. the secretary said there is an urgent need for egyptian president morsi to talk more with his opposition and relieve the volatile tensio
the cia said they need to protect sources and methods. the congressional committees are seeking the raw e-mail traffic to assess how and why the talking points were changeed. >> reporter: was there a problem with communication between, say the fbi doing the investigation, cia doing some of the intelligence analysis, the state department who was responsible for some of the security. was this, again, a stove piping problem of a different kind? >> and aside from the talking points,...
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the cia operative chasing after bin laden for years seems made of steel. the final assault is a long creep through a big house in pakistan. say what you will, but when that seal said for god and country, geronimo, i almost cried. when one pauses to say, wow,
the cia operative chasing after bin laden for years seems made of steel. the final assault is a long creep through a big house in pakistan. say what you will, but when that seal said for god and country, geronimo, i almost cried. when one pauses to say, wow,
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and in that sense, it's not helpful. >> the movie portrays the cia analysts and also cia officers in the field and then obviously special forces. but in reality, there was an fbi component and a lot of dissension between the fbi and the cia, bob. >> sure. >> well, the fbi doesn't -- >> go ahead. >> bob, go ahead. >> the fbi is against torture. it can't take the evidence and take it into court. an fbi agent who interrogated khalid sheik muhammad disagreed that torture got anyone anywhere. they're completely opposed to it. the cia was reluctant to use torture, too. it was the pentagon. and as we know, as peter said, the results are mixed. >> so, peter, do you fear this becomes the narrative? that people will see this and think, okay, waterboarding got bin laden? >> yeah. i mean, i think that's the bottom line. i don't think that's not the filmmaker's intent, and they have many other scenes in the movie about how the relationship with the foreign intelligence service derived a very important lead, the real name of bin laden's courier, how they tracked down the cell phones he was using a
and in that sense, it's not helpful. >> the movie portrays the cia analysts and also cia officers in the field and then obviously special forces. but in reality, there was an fbi component and a lot of dissension between the fbi and the cia, bob. >> sure. >> well, the fbi doesn't -- >> go ahead. >> bob, go ahead. >> the fbi is against torture. it can't take the evidence and take it into court. an fbi agent who interrogated khalid sheik muhammad disagreed that...
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he could put a woman in the cia. that would be a huge, huge deal. and the republicans, this is the party, by the way, that just has a gender gap of 20 points in the last election, a party that has a massive gap when it comes to african-americans and latinos. if he all of a sudden puts a woman in and the old white men say no to something like that, that's really a problem for them. it's the party's problem, they have to get beyond this. >> msnbc contributor senate guru jimmy williams, great to see you, thank you, sir. >>> that's going to wrap things up for me. thank you for your time today. joining me tomorrow, house minority whip stenny hoyer, clyburn, ted strickland, and my colleague, melissa harris-perry. don't go anywhere, alex wagner is coming up. what do you have coming up? >> hello, thomas, still in d.c. with another action-packed show. we'll have the latest on the slow, unfolding drama, emphasis on slow, that is the fiscal cliff negotiations. the white house and speaker boehner trade proposals and tension. we will discuss with house democrati
he could put a woman in the cia. that would be a huge, huge deal. and the republicans, this is the party, by the way, that just has a gender gap of 20 points in the last election, a party that has a massive gap when it comes to african-americans and latinos. if he all of a sudden puts a woman in and the old white men say no to something like that, that's really a problem for them. it's the party's problem, they have to get beyond this. >> msnbc contributor senate guru jimmy williams,...
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laid oillet in a multimedia presentation with drone surveillance and video from the consulate of the cia and annex. >> this is supposed to be sovereign u.s. territory, and if people walk in on us like that without resistance really makes your blood boil because you think to yourself what's the security? >> a video was shown to the committee lastonth, but this is the first time the presentation was made to the entire house. one lawmaker who asked not to be identified who said in the classified naturr of the breech r, the video who assess because the atacker is casual. fox news told james clapper, the nationop intelligence official emphasized, the attacker's motivation uknown, and there was further questions about the obama administration's singular and immediate focus on the anti-islam video? >> why did you just focus on that part for so long rather thansay, look, it's not a black and white issue. >> one of the motivations may very well be either the video, the response to the video in cairo, and, certainly, that's not ruled out. >> fox news has confirmed the decision to shut down the cia
laid oillet in a multimedia presentation with drone surveillance and video from the consulate of the cia and annex. >> this is supposed to be sovereign u.s. territory, and if people walk in on us like that without resistance really makes your blood boil because you think to yourself what's the security? >> a video was shown to the committee lastonth, but this is the first time the presentation was made to the entire house. one lawmaker who asked not to be identified who said in the...
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i didn't talk to any of the cia people involved. what i have heard is that the screenwriter kind of drank the kool-aid and fell in love with his cia sources and are taking their point of view. peter bergen in his book "manhunt" and also in a recent article implies that there was absolutely no link between so-called extreme interrogation and information that led to the courier who ultimately brought them to bin laden. >> for those having seen the film, do you believe it makes the case that torture was essential in killing bin laden? >> can i answer that in a vigorously wishy-washy way? >> i guess you will. >> because i think that kathryn bigelow, if you look at her last film, "the hurt locker," it began with a quote from chris hedges to the effect that war is a drug, an addiction, and kathryn bigelow is kind of an amoral filmmaker. she portrayed a woman who is basically addicted to revenge, who is on a kind of counter jihad. bigelow takes her point of view and shoots the torture scenes in a neutral way. they are ugly, disturbing, and
i didn't talk to any of the cia people involved. what i have heard is that the screenwriter kind of drank the kool-aid and fell in love with his cia sources and are taking their point of view. peter bergen in his book "manhunt" and also in a recent article implies that there was absolutely no link between so-called extreme interrogation and information that led to the courier who ultimately brought them to bin laden. >> for those having seen the film, do you believe it makes the...
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to the cia detention and internation program. that's after her statement and one of the fbi interrogators who was successful in getting information from al qaeda detainees using noncoercive means has strongly criticized the cia's use of torture saying it didn't work. listen to what he says on "60 minutes" about what happened after a cia interrogator showed up to take over the questioning of one of the detainees he had been dealing with. let's watch. >> supposedly he's an expert in the field. so i asked him, do you know anything about islamic fundamentalism? he said no. have you ever interrogated anybody? no. he basically said no, he knows human nature. >> and how does he react to this? >> he basically stopped cooperating. >> the information dried up? >> yes, totally. >> frank, is that true? that he stopped talking after they start getting rough with him? >> i don't know enough about the particular case. i can't answer that. >> let me ask you generally about this. how is this going to coming out? frank, you're a general columnist.
to the cia detention and internation program. that's after her statement and one of the fbi interrogators who was successful in getting information from al qaeda detainees using noncoercive means has strongly criticized the cia's use of torture saying it didn't work. listen to what he says on "60 minutes" about what happened after a cia interrogator showed up to take over the questioning of one of the detainees he had been dealing with. let's watch. >> supposedly he's an expert...
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so they're going after just her, not the cia director, david petraeus. her. and i think that that's says a lot. >> thank you so much. next, speaker john boehner set to visit the white house within the hour on this busy day. stay with us. [ male announcer ] this is sheldon, whose long dy setting up the news starts with arthritis pain and a choice. take tylenol or take aleve, the #1 recommended pain reliever by orthopedic doctors. just two aleve can keep pain away all day. back to the news. >>> an extremely busy day in washington. the president and john boehner are due to meet at the top of the hour for urgent talks on the fiscal cliff. and with 12 days to christmas, boehner has had his 12 drummers drumming to the beat of spending is the problem. boehner started the day with a chart prepared by drummer boy paul ryan and after taking the serious step of launching a twitter hash tag, he declared that the president is not serious about the debt. >> here we are at the 11th hour and the president still isn't serious about dealing with this issue right here. it's thi
so they're going after just her, not the cia director, david petraeus. her. and i think that that's says a lot. >> thank you so much. next, speaker john boehner set to visit the white house within the hour on this busy day. stay with us. [ male announcer ] this is sheldon, whose long dy setting up the news starts with arthritis pain and a choice. take tylenol or take aleve, the #1 recommended pain reliever by orthopedic doctors. just two aleve can keep pain away all day. back to the news....
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and i know every expert i've talked to in the fbi, and in the cia, glenn carl for example told me none of this torture worked. none of this enhanced interrogation worked. it did not, as cheney has alleged, lead to the killing of bin laden. it was counterproductive. it was damaging to our reputation and he's still lying about it. >> we haven't heard the last of that, have we? >> no, we haven't. >> how aggressive do you think lawmakers ought to be with that report? >> i think it ought to be at least portions of it, just like i thought the 9/11 commission portions of it should be made public. if we're not going to hold people accountable, we should at least let the american people know what was done in their name that basically constituted war crimes. >> getting back to cheney for a moment, his vision of international intervention, do you think that that really illustrates where the republican party is? >> i think the republican party is lost right now. wandering in the desert, as it were.
and i know every expert i've talked to in the fbi, and in the cia, glenn carl for example told me none of this torture worked. none of this enhanced interrogation worked. it did not, as cheney has alleged, lead to the killing of bin laden. it was counterproductive. it was damaging to our reputation and he's still lying about it. >> we haven't heard the last of that, have we? >> no, we haven't. >> how aggressive do you think lawmakers ought to be with that report? >> i...
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ambassador, cia director and vice president before he was elected to president on his own. one time he ran for the u.s. senate he lost. if you have a question for us, e-mail us. we'll be right back. [ female announcer ] imagine skin so healthy, it never gets dry again. can your moisturizer do that? [ female announcer ] dermatologist recommended aveeno has an oat formula, now proven to build a moisture reserve, so skin can replenish itself. that's healthy skin for life. only from aveeno. starts with arthritis pain and a choice. take tylenol or take aleve, the #1 recommended pain reliever by orthopedic doctors. just two aleve can keep pain away all day. back to the news. >>> while names are thrown out frivolously, i will tell you that there is a process. i'm going to stay true to the process. i'm going to make sure that i make south carolina proud, but you know, only my husband knows what's in my head right now, so i will leave it at that. >> let's bring back our gaggle. it seems as if, by the way, nikki haley is sort of enjoying this moment. i think just a little bit, she is
ambassador, cia director and vice president before he was elected to president on his own. one time he ran for the u.s. senate he lost. if you have a question for us, e-mail us. we'll be right back. [ female announcer ] imagine skin so healthy, it never gets dry again. can your moisturizer do that? [ female announcer ] dermatologist recommended aveeno has an oat formula, now proven to build a moisture reserve, so skin can replenish itself. that's healthy skin for life. only from aveeno. starts...
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"outfront" tonight, national security contributor fran townsend who is on the cia and homeland security external advisory board and noah shachtman. noah, what do we think is going on right now? at what point are they in this process? >> so the assad regime has hundreds of metric tons of the building blocks of sarin. basically two big building blocks. there's isopropanol which is rubbing alcohol and phosphorous compounds. those are kept separately in order to keep things safe. but the assad regime in small, limited quantities appears to have combined those two chemicals to make deadly sarin nerve agent and has loaded them on to aerial bombs. >> if that is true, fran, it's a very provocative thing. is it provocative enough that the u.s. now has to consider action? >> well, you know, the administration has not made it clear. what the president has said is that the use of such weapons would be a red line for the united states and her allies. but it's not clear, short of use, is this preparation, is the mixing of the precursor chemicals enough? as noah can tell you this is a very unstable su
"outfront" tonight, national security contributor fran townsend who is on the cia and homeland security external advisory board and noah shachtman. noah, what do we think is going on right now? at what point are they in this process? >> so the assad regime has hundreds of metric tons of the building blocks of sarin. basically two big building blocks. there's isopropanol which is rubbing alcohol and phosphorous compounds. those are kept separately in order to keep things safe....
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classified briefing they used drone surveillance along with security camera video from the consulate and cia. people can walk in on us like that without any kind of resistance makes your blood boil because you are thinking where is the security? >> the attackers seemed so casual. >> a new jersey man return to do his shore home after sandy and found it vanished. when nick tried to get answers about why his dream home was an empty plot of land all he got was a bunch of dead ends. >> the township didn't know what happened. i called the governor's office she said to me, are you sure your house is gone. i said miss, you misplace your pen, your pencil you don't misplace a house. >> it turns out they thought it was blocking the road and had it taken down. an exclusive shows they are doing their holiday shopping on the job in your luggage. kierd to go the report 32-year-old shawn henry was busted for stealing i pads from checked luggage. it was part of a string into the growing problem of screeners with sticky fingers. henry will be fired. police say he plans to burglarize a home but probably never
classified briefing they used drone surveillance along with security camera video from the consulate and cia. people can walk in on us like that without any kind of resistance makes your blood boil because you are thinking where is the security? >> the attackers seemed so casual. >> a new jersey man return to do his shore home after sandy and found it vanished. when nick tried to get answers about why his dream home was an empty plot of land all he got was a bunch of dead ends....
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we have a picture from former cia operative and contributor bob bayer to show you what the impact of a single shell of gas would be in launched on homs in syria. the large swath of the city that would be affected. it's estimated about 18,000 people would be killed in a day. let's get straight to barbara starr. and barbara, what have you learned tonight? >> well, you know, as tragic and serious as this is for the people of syria, this now has regional implications throughout the middle east. intelligence services from israel, turkey, jordan, lebanon, all the countries surrounding syria are talking with the united states around the clock about this very scenario because if there were to be god forbid a chemical attack, the concern is some could drift across borders. worse even as tragic as that would be, what if the regime collapses, terrorists move in, insurgent groups move in and grab some chemical material. they could take it across the borders into the neighbors countries and have a full fledged crisis in the region. >> there has been talk that assad may try and seek asylum. what a
we have a picture from former cia operative and contributor bob bayer to show you what the impact of a single shell of gas would be in launched on homs in syria. the large swath of the city that would be affected. it's estimated about 18,000 people would be killed in a day. let's get straight to barbara starr. and barbara, what have you learned tonight? >> well, you know, as tragic and serious as this is for the people of syria, this now has regional implications throughout the middle...
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officials tell the journal the cia made the call to remove the al qaeda references. why? to protect intelligence sources. according to the reporting of the journal, the fbi agreed with that decision but some state department officials said it made the talking points too vegas. now fox news has learned the director of national intelligence plans to give a classified briefing on benghazi tomorrow for the entire house of representatives. for the rest of the story, catherine herridge with us from washington now. catherine? >> shepard, tomorrow on capitol hill, a second round of closed classified briefings for all the members of the house of representatives, nation's top intelligence officer among others. lawmakers want more definitive information on the level of premeditation by the terrorists and how early it was known. >> the question is how much planning went into this? was it months in the works? was it cobbled together quickly within a matter of a few hours? it makes a great difference in terms of the responsibility as well as the vulnerability of our facilities elsewher
officials tell the journal the cia made the call to remove the al qaeda references. why? to protect intelligence sources. according to the reporting of the journal, the fbi agreed with that decision but some state department officials said it made the talking points too vegas. now fox news has learned the director of national intelligence plans to give a classified briefing on benghazi tomorrow for the entire house of representatives. for the rest of the story, catherine herridge with us from...